Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Intelligent Design

I have been reading The Design Revolution by William A. Dembski. Given the confusion in the media, culture, and the church, it shows the need to read a book such as this. If you have not read The Design Revolution, I highly recommend it.


binobolumai said...

I apologize for cross posting. I see you've removed the discussion where I asked simple questions you can't answer.

Let me leave you with this. I asked, "What are your facts." And you couldn’t give them. You believe what you believe, you don't need no steenkin' facts.

Our religion is in such deep decline, curled in around itself, that people hot for "confronting the current intellectual crisis" can be unable to give the most basic facts and still style themselves "apologist." And now you're posting about "the ignorance of the media."

For shame.

Bino Bolumai

/ In Bino Veritas >

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Eric Chabot said...


When I looked at your post last night, I began to see the need to end the conversation about Jesus and the myth theory. When I began to see when I would mention a source and you responded by saying "they just want to believe he is real" and then you want more facts-I realized this is a waste of time. To use the line “they just want to believe Jesus is real" is not even a counterargument. I gave you plenty of substantial facts. Also you also constantly equivocate on the word "facts." I was more than clear about the role of historiography and the evidence for the figures you mentioned. But you continued to show me you do not have much of a background in this field. In biblical studies, we have moved beyond whether Jesus was real or not. Even John Crossan of the Jesus Seminar thinks Jesus lived and was crucified. He says, “That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be.” John Dominic Crossan, Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography, 145 (see also 154, 196, 201) (, 49). I asked you two times about the genre of the Gospels to which I got no response. Richard Burridge did his Ph.D on the genre of the Gospels. His book called What Are the Gospels?: A Comparison with Greco Roman Biography has set the bar in New Testament studies. To quote him in his book called Jesus Then and Now, he says “ I do not know of any respectable critical scholar who says there never was a Jesus at all. There’s a lot of evidence of his existence.” So in biblical studies, we have moved beyond asking whether Jesus was real or even a magician. So I will not be re-opening this talk. And before you comment on intelligent design, you may want to read that book I mentioned. I am sorry I came across the wrong way when I said the media and public are ignorant about it. I changed it to say they are confused. I only say this from personal experience on many occasions. It is not to be arrogant. There are a great many things I am ignorant about.
Take care,